Curse

lishi · Jan 11, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Clait

How many people got banned for using the free Zaishen chest "exploit?"

How many people got banned for getting a free ferry to the end of the game?

How many people got banned for getting a ferry to the deep, to urgoz or to slavers exile?

How many people got banned for /resigning in the Warrior Guild hall to be transported ANYWHERE in the game?

How many people got banned for using fort aspenwood, dragging all the necro npcs to the the base.. owning the other team?

How many people got banned for ferrying people from Kamadan to Consulate docks?

How many people have been banned in ab for dying at a gate and using necro transversal to go through it before the timer starts?

How many people have been banned for taking heros into AB and holding 64v64 matches?

How many people have been banned using the Warrior Guild hall trick to ferry people from Kamadan to LA without taking a quest?

How many people got banned for finding a bugged area while mapping and saw the "end of the world" effect?

How many people have been banned for vanquishing Bukdek Byway.. taking 2 quests.. and having to kill 1 enemy to vanquish?

How many people have used TexMod, a third party program, to obtain their cartographer title?

How many people have been banned for using Ventrilo, a third party program not supported by Anet?

When you question about how I know about all this, its simple. When you play the game for 30 months you find out about all these "exploits."

To say that ferrying to Mallyx is any different from the above is preposterous. Those guilty of any above are in the same position as this "exploit."

My question is.. where are these individual bans?

1) you dont get banned for using 3th party program who give some gain (good coordination with ventrillo), you might get banned, is anet choice.

they choiced to ban for this particular exploit, i agree with them.

lishi · Jan 11, 2008, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Mickey

People that did it once got banned, too. Everyone got banned.

but they clearly said they where very careful on banning those.

Who i should trust?

Rhapsody Shadow · Jan 11, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by freaky naughty

I believe that means real-world items?

no if you follow the user agreement word for word anyone that places an add,
ie WTS Black Dye

can be banned for breach of contract

Mickey · Jan 11, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by lishi

but they clearly said they where very careful on banning those.

Who i should trust?

They "carefully" found everyone who had been in the outpost, or done the quest from the outpost, which took no more than 5 minutes, highlighted all account names, and clicked the Ban button on their nifty little keyboard

Nah, just kidding, idk all of the people who were banned, so I have no idea how they did it, all I know is that alot of people associated with this were apparently perma-banned.

freaky naughty · Jan 11, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by lishi

but they clearly said they where very careful on banning those.

Who i should trust?

Well most of the people who are complaining here either implied or flat-out told us they did it more than once. So this time I'm taking Anets side. One time going in should be investigated. Twice should be an auto-ban.

DivineEnvoy · Jan 11, 2008, 02:33 AM // 02:33

It is quite funny how people have to hack in Guild Wars.

Of course, we need to note that within those 117 people, there are people who had no idea that they were exploiting a bug as they were just dragged into this horrible mess. However, we need to understand that their accounts are banned for temporary measure, so that the economy won't be affected by this problem. If you are one of the 117 people, good luck to you, and if you are truly as innocent as you speak of, I hope the best resolution can be made.

However, with this said, we need to note, there are those people who exploited the bug and hacked the game. Even though Anet may have been a contributer to this problem, we should not overlook that these players have the responsibility to their account for not hacking and exploiting a bug. In other words, if they deserved it, they will be banned, and I really don't see the point in defending them as if they are truly innocent.

chaoticimajar · Jan 11, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

its just saying there were more than 117 people doing this the 117 must have been extreme cases such as myself who's done it so many times i can do it with my eyes close and with my foot

kobey · Jan 11, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

I feel that the ban is needed because of the severity of the consequences. In a way, it rewards the 'exploiters' with more wealth (gems/greens/golds) if they are not punished.

If someone is accidentally brought there, and done the exploit once only. I believe he/she should be spared from the ban stick. But however, if he did a few times, then sadly, he/she needs a very very good arguement to not get the punishment.

But then again, if I accidentally discover such a outpost. 1 gemset every (how many mins again), I think I will be farming that area instead of thinking if it is an exploit, and whether I will be banned for it.

Mickey · Jan 11, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

its just saying there were more than 117 people doing this the 117 must have been extreme cases such as myself who's done it so many times i can do it with my eyes close and with my foot

I am DEFINITELY not one of the 117 then.

Edit: I posted earlier, I did it 5 times, once to finish the quest, 4 more times because my friends told me it was fine, and that there was no exploit or bug. I stopped after that. I also posted that it was my first time doing Mallyx. Ever. So I really had no idea what was going on. If there are more people out there that did this and are still online, I'm just a tiny bit pissed.

Sub Frost · Jan 11, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Guess using a pick to express one's opinion only works "sometimes".

Anyway regarding the [Dev Update], good work on fixing the Exploit and Banning the people that used it.

Antheus · Jan 11, 2008, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

i blame anet for allowing this area to be on a non test server take it out if you don't want people doing it...

I blame the person who needed to brag about this on the boards two days ago.

First rule of MMOs: You do not talk about exploits.
Second rule of MMOs: You do not talk about exploits.

This exploit was apparently known for months. It was reported for months. Yet it wasn't until someone spilled the beans on forums that bans happened.

Remember the first rule of MMOs?

Bryant Again · Jan 11, 2008, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Rexion

I still think ANet has full responsablity for this happening. They left this "secret outpost" open that could be opened no matter what. Exploit, hack, third party program - name it whatver. It still happened.

The outpost was hidden and had never existed before. It could *only* be reached with a hack. They were banning people for hacking and banning people who could not think clearly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexion

Those innocent people might of been like me, someone that just thought this was new-content or content that most people didn't know about (like the Serenity Temple or Dragon's Gault in Ascalon)

That would be a very swarmed outpost if it was right outside of Mallyx's gates. And if it was in an update, word would've gotten out quickly: Remember how totally crowded Urgoz became when you were able to farm the beginning area?

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Originally Posted by Rexion

They have left many other exploits/hacks slide by and they are still happening today. Why does this one make any big difference?

An exploit and a hack are two very different things.

stefke86 · Jan 11, 2008, 02:35 AM // 02:35

Honestly, i think when 117 people are smart enough to actually hack Anets servers I say, employ them, they'll probably do better that the current team out there.

freaky naughty · Jan 11, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

its just saying there were more than 117 people doing this the 117 must have been extreme cases such as myself who's done it so many times i can do it with my eyes close and with my foot

Yeah Mickey doesn't strike me as the heavy exploiter so I doubt your friend will be playing for so long, btw how long did this thing last before they were caught?

Chicken Ftw · Jan 11, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by freaky naughty

I believe that means real-world items?

Ya, it does. Also covers gold-selling sites and the like. Anyway, we're being dragged-offtopic by someone who doesn't comprehend the rules.

On-topic, the excuse "only one person had to hack to give all of us access" is really, really weak. That just means you're knowingly using the result of a hack, thus no better than the one who opened the exploit in the first place.

El Presidente · Jan 11, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

no thats is not true i know someone who was taken there and done it twice no names coming from myself and is still online and playing

On the first page, in Gaile's statement..."and we will ban more accounts as appropriate as we review additional logs gathered after the initial bans".

zerulus · Jan 11, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clait

How many people got banned for using the free Zaishen chest "exploit?"

How many people got banned for getting a free ferry to the end of the game?

How many people got banned for getting a ferry to the deep, to urgoz or to slavers exile?

How many people got banned for /resigning in the Warrior Guild hall to be transported ANYWHERE in the game?

How many people got banned for using fort aspenwood, dragging all the necro npcs to the the base.. owning the other team?

How many people got banned for ferrying people from Kamadan to Consulate docks?

How many people have been banned in ab for dying at a gate and using necro transversal to go through it before the timer starts?

How many people have been banned for taking heros into AB and holding 64v64 matches?

How many people have been banned using the Warrior Guild hall trick to ferry people from Kamadan to LA without taking a quest?

How many people got banned for finding a bugged area while mapping and saw the "end of the world" effect?

How many people have been banned for vanquishing Bukdek Byway.. taking 2 quests.. and having to kill 1 enemy to vanquish?

How many people have used TexMod, a third party program, to obtain their cartographer title?

How many people have been banned for using Ventrilo, a third party program not supported by Anet?

When you question about how I know about all this, its simple. When you play the game for 30 months you find out about all these "exploits."

To say that ferrying to Mallyx is any different from the above is preposterous. Those guilty of any above are in the same position as this "exploit."

My question is.. where are these individual bans?

They could ban these people as well if they like. Anet doesn't have to give the same punishment to everyone, they don't have to treat everyone equally. If someone breaks the user agreement they can hand out whatever punishment they see fit. People shouldn't be unbanned just because not everyone involved or not everyone who has done someting wrong has been punished. The fact is they did something that was clearly wrong, they got caught and they suffered the consequences. Maybe they will use better judgement in the future, but I doubt it.

chaoticimajar · Jan 11, 2008, 02:42 AM // 02:42

do you understand what i am saying though 117 people didn't HACK please get that through your heads 1 guy showed someone and it chained to other people. people who did it once just to see what it was had no idea what they were getting into. if i rememeber'd the guys name i'd give it out but some people whom were banned didn't diserve it.

Azarr#1 · Jan 11, 2008, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Seriously People act like this is another exploit where they can copy ectos or copy ambraces. This is not one of those incidences my friend that did this. just wanted it done fast and easy. From what he told me it took about 20 minutes to do just for one set of gems. This is a small exploit because when ive gone out and wanted to buy ectos ive had people pm me saying they had 20 stacks of ectos they want to sell and their not banned give me a break. Im not farming DOA until the innocent get unbanned. I am very experienced at farming it and last time I went to DOA it has lost alot of people It takes me only 2 and a half hours to do a full mallyx run all four bosses and way more gems. The mapping glitch I heard of that came around and got fixed the next day. But then the mapping glitch came back come on arenanet cant you fix a glitch and keep it fixed, I bet more people mapped on the second time around then anything. I sort of wanted to be a part of that Im not going to lie I want to get as much done as possible before GW2 comes out and get as many titles as possible. but it takes more money then I can get to buy sweet tooth and drunkard max.

boo28338 · Jan 11, 2008, 02:43 AM // 02:43

first of all. there were people banned that didnt know it was wrong. Since they had never killed Mallyx, they assumed it was like the sorrows funace quest " a final assault" where only one person needed to have it to be able to go straight to mallayx.